Would gut hook knives be more effective as fighting knives?
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Would gut hook knives be more effective as fighting knives?
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No not at all. I’m a black Smith so I’m going to use my metallurgical knowledge here and put in laymen’s terms. There isint a metal in the world is carry into combat of any sort with a guy hook and there are modern and historical reasons why this is gonna be a long one so buckle up. Let’s start with the tip will be weaker. Having to remove all that metal means your tip is barely hanging on. So imagine this you’ve got a well made highcarbon knife it’s a fixed blade knife and super thick. You carry it everywhere and one day it comes in handy some guy steps out and tried to mug you you pull out your knife and jab it into his ribs. As you go to pull it out the guys buddy comes up behind you as he grabs you you try to yank your blade out and the guy hook hangs on the guys rib. You fall and bring the guy you stabbed with you chances are you either got luck and managed to get your blade back or more likely broke off the tip where is maybe a quarter the width and height of the rest of the blade. You also have the law opposing you you see it’s not illegal to gut a mugger but I’m gonna bet you will get charged with something what it will vary but I know if I did it in Texas I’d get charged with excessive use of force or something of the sort. Now then lets go back into history in any conflict post steel armor I wouldn’t want a gut hook Because it could get hung and I’d end up weaponless. Now let’s go into steel armor and I mean chain mail anything any metal armor. You lose your sword and get knocked down you pull out the weird dagger the blacksmith said would make them blaed out faster and try to stab him and it either bounces off his chain mail or breaks on his metal cheat plate. The point of this stupid and drawn out answer is not just no but hell no.
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No. A gut hook is for gutting game. It may in fact hinder a knife as a fighting knife, being of suboptimal shape and possibly reducing blade strength. It might not hurt, but it certainly doesn’t help.
Original question- Would gut hook knives be more effective as fighting knives?
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Here is a hint.
We’ve been making and using knives for hundreds of thousands of years.
For the last six or seven thousand we have been making these out of metals, getting better and better at materials technology as we go.
During those millennia countless hundreds of different patterns have existed.
Including serrated fishing and gutting blades.
Funny thing though, every knife primarily designed as a weapon and not a tool has a number of things in common.
Good at slicing, often with only one edge due to mechanical material constraints
Good at poking holes in things deeper than two inches.
Durable and simple to forge (or cast) and to maintain.
Everything else is secondary
Everything
So if you spot someone with something like this….
Then it’s a fair bet they use it to pose and LARP rather than gutting resisting human beings. Who are neither dead nor fish or game, nor likely to need skinning, dressing, and preservation as food.
Edit:
After thinking about this for a while, it is worth noting that I would rather have the above ceremonial letter-opener than say, a frozen mackerel. If someone was trying to do me in.
But it wouldn’t be my first choice to take with a water bottle and poncho if I had to cover a few thousand miles through strange territory where no one spoke my language and i feared their taste in cuisine… grilled Nic is not my personal favourite snack.
I don’t even like being baked
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No.
Gutting hooks saw back or serrated knives are an inefficient use of blade for fighting knives.
They get caught in clothes slow the entrance in many cases and in the case of the Gut hook become lost in heavy clothing. A weapon does nothing if you aren’t holding It!
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No. The hook can get caught up in bone or cloth and become hard to pull out. It’s better to just be able to make more stab wounds and cuts.
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Only in fantasy. A stab would not be inhibited but the withdrawal of the blade would be very difficult as the hook would catch on things.
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Gut hooks and the back-curved “saw” teeth on the back of some knives would be more of a hindrance than an asset. They could easily get hung up or snagged on clothing or body tissue and leave you in a very vulnerable position.
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No. Gut hook is a specialty knife feature used to cut open the abdomen muscles of a harvested animal. A good comparison is like the hook of crocheting needle usually on the back edge near the tip. I see no benefit in a fighting knife.
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No they can get stuck in ribs and on other bone. If you look at any knife and any blade used through history for fighting. You can see why they used a normal blade. When fighting you have to be faster and smarter than your enamy. It often takes several blows to kill. If you gut hook someone and your blade gets stuck your fucked. Humans are resilient. I’ve seen people stabbed several times and keep fighting. So if your blade van slide through flesh without getting stuck, your still in the fight. My favorite blade is a karambit it’s a hook with a double sided blade. It’s fast and very lethal. You can use it to gut someone or grab and control limbs very easily. It’s been used for combat for a very long time. And can be used as a farm tool.
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No, it would get snagged up. This means it will get stuck in an opponent or it will get pulled out of your hand by clothing. A knife fight often means lots of cutting and stabbing, it is tiring and bloody. You don’t want to have another reason to lose your weapon.
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Short answer, if gut hook knives were effective, they would have been quickly adopted by fighting forces. They have not, so, there’s your answer.
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The ‘gut hook’ is a marketing lie made up to frustrate hunters and expose them to injury.
Originally just a notch near the blade tip, it was used by mountain men to catch the wire loop of a cookpot and remove it from the fire. Some trailerpark genius decided to sharpen the bottom of the notch and call it a guthook, and an entire industry niche was born.
As far as fighting, they weaken the tip and make it more likely for the blade to catch. Leave that stuff at the truck stop.
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No. There is not fighting style that uses it. Second you don’t want to get tangled up with your opponent.
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I guarantee you that if you engage in a fight with someone using a gut hook, regardless of the circumstances, and you “win” by gutting your adversary, you have a 95% chance of spending considerable time in jail.
Picture this…. A guy pulls a knife, threatens to kill you and demands your wallet. You distract him, pull your knife, and slash his carotid artery. He collapses and bleeds over a gallon of blood, much of which is soaking your clothes.
What are the officers who arrive at the scene going to see…. You as a heroic figure. No, you’re a thug. You actually carry the nastiest kind of knife you and are willing to use it…. you practiced using this knife. In the eyes of everyday citizen on the jury, there is no evidence that you’re a “really good guy”. You’re just a criminal who got in a beef with another criminal.
Knives as self defense may stop an attack, but that’s when your lifelong nightmare begins.
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I have a hawkbill knife which is the opposite of a gut hook knife. But mostly used for the same purpose for gutting an animal. I used to use mine primarily to skin wire with. My particular knife is too short and too small to be of any use at all in a fight and even if I had something like a Gurkha or kambata. The gurkhas have a good history but they’re more like a machete than anything else. The best knives for a knife fight other than the Bowie knife which was more of a gladicus considering it was at least 18 in Long. And very comparable to a machete. Originally made from a file because the fellow wanted something he could kill a Bull with effectively. This is kind of a heavy knife to be traveling around with. More of a sword than a knife. The next you look at martial artists who use knives what’s up with you I was throwing knives with started out as darts and then turned into knives the Zulu Spears which was short Spears that they use to stab with very similar to a knife. The Filipino balisong and silet style knives. Most combat knives are like a Scottish Dirk they’re not use so much to fight with as they’re used for everything else. Like a Swiss Army knife. The Boy Scouts weapon of choice is actually a hatchet. And a staff which I always thought was funny. I think the three knives maybe five knives that I would would use in modern-day combat. Would be a Cook’s knife a fillet knife or Cleaver. Cleavers are made to go through bone they’re short knives which means you have to get really close they are not made for stabbing. But chopping and in that use they are very effective. A fillet knife is razor sharp it’s easy to break but I’ve actually seen some go through cans if you can wrap a blade around the bone lightning fast and take all of the muscle off of it. I think that’s a dangerous knife especially if the tip is strong enough to penetrate a tin can or even a steel one. Cook’s knives are little bit bigger a little bit more durable I’m probably a combination of the two but not as good as either one. A gut knife unless you’re trying to gun an animal it’s a waste of your time I don’t even recommended for that for the simple fact there other knives that can do that that job as well or better. Most knives like a Rambo survival knife or Ka-Bar or other types of combat knives and I never can seem to think of what the Green Berets life is called or the seals knife is called these things are made for multitask purposes just like the Swiss Army Knife Only with little bit more combat intent. The closest cheap thing you can find you as a fighting knife is a machete. If you’re walking down the street with machete you will stick out look like a sorethumb. Where I live I think the legal limit for a knife is 6 inches however a fillet knife is used for fishing and it’s perfectly legal. Now are you using this thing for self-preservation are you trying to fight off Bears or raccoons lions tigers or something excetera or are you planning on attacking something? If I had to get in a knife fight with someone I would want a dueling knife a knife designed for that purpose and I will probably put a rope on the end of it and throw it at them. By having a rope on the end now you’re knife has much more reach you can use it at greater distances. But if wishes were fishes we would all be fishing. A gut knife is a waste of your time. It’s only good if you’re gutting something.
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They aren’t even good at what they are “designed” for, they are just something fancy looking to be sold to a gullible public.
Knife fighting 101 (gleaned from the other twenty thousand hopeful but unrealistic questions on Quora):
Rule 1: Run away.
Rule 2: If he or she looks faster than you, shoot them or bash them with something long and heavy, then see Rule 1.
Rule 3: If someone threatens you with a knife and you have a knife, you’re probably about to get badly hurt. See Rule 1.
Rule 4: If some 300 lb gorilla threatens you and you have a knife, you’re probably about to get badly hurt. See Rule 1.
A chair, a hockey stick, an umbrella, anything as long as it keeps you out of reach.
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Depending on how it’s used I guess so.i would imagine it would make it a heck of a lot messier. Truthfully it’s just another edge. I would imagine it would make it withdrawing the blade on a stab more difficult.
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you asked the right guy! I carry a gut hook camillus fixed blade as my edc and yes it is better as a combat knife since it will cause more severe injury when plunged into any part of the body that the gut hook can grab onto. the reason more people dont carry gut hooks is because the gut hook is almost impossible to sharpen and it falls in 2nd place to a karambit because a karambit is specifically designed to cause mutilation as a combat knife.
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First off there is no such thing as a fighting knife. If you are attacked by someone with a knife who wishes to harm you they’re not going to face off with you like you’re going to duel. They will, more than likely run up behind you and start stabbing away at your torso wildly. Although my brother in law was stabbed to death by someone who faced him. The guy got one shot at him and cut off the bottom of his heart. He bled out in minutes. That being said, any knife you happen to have becomes your fighting knife by default. I pray you never have to experience being attacked. It’s horrible. For everyone.
Stay safe people.
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No. Gut hook knives are for hunters to use when field dressing game animals they’ve killed. They are working knives, not fighting knives.
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Short answer, no. The reason that the most successful fighting knives of the last several thousand years all have a similar shape is because it’s the most efficient. A gut hook is designed for only one purpose… To cleanly open up the belly of the animal you’re cleaning. If used for fighting, a successful stab could lose you your knife, as the hook’s radius would allow it to get caught up against a bone and stuck, like a barbed fish hook.
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No. A good fighting knife needs a relatively slim blade, plus a good guard. And a longer blade than most skinning/dressing knives.
Note that I am of the strong opinion that one should not bring a knife to a gun fight. And I don’t intend to be in any knife fight.
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You mean kerambits? It depends. They are good for close quarters combat but it depends if the user is trained in their use or not. It’s all about the training as to whether something is effective or not.
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