Where did the 3 inch length rule for pocket knives come from?
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Where did the 3 inch length rule for pocket knives come from?
You can check the answer of the people under the question at Quora “what is the legal length of a pocket knife“
As far as the UK goes, it is legal to carry for everyday purposes, that is on the basis that it may come in useful for some as yet undefined reason, a folding pocket knife with a non-locking blade of no more than three inches in length (section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act). Other knives including multi tools with sub three inch locking blades, folding blades of longer than three inches and fixed blades may be carried in a public place but only if the user has “good reason” for their possession and it is incumbent on them to prove this in court. Any knife used in a threatening manner , even a non locking sub three inch blade, would be classed as a offensive weapon and this is dealt with under different legislation. A good reason would be required for your employment and that you were actually at work or travelling to or from a place of work so if stopped by the police with for example a Leatherman Type tool which has a locking blade you would potentially have to go through the whole legal process including a court appearance to justify yourself (hopefully the police officer in question would display some common sense but that is what the law says). At best that is inconvenient, at worst it gets you a criminal record but the main thing to remember is that in the UK, locking knives and blades longer than three inches are not illegal per se just be careful when and why you carry one, even if justified keep it well wrapped when in a public place. Of course some locations such as sports arenas, airports, night clubs, museums and galleries etc can have total bans on any sort of knife and they can be confiscated. A cousin once did very well on a visit to Buckingham Palace, they got someone else’s Swiss Army Knife returned to them which was rather better than the one they surrendered on entry!
As for the three inch length, I am unable to find exactly what piece of research decided that three inches was somehow less dangerous than three and a half inches after all a quarter inch blade can sever an artery if you know where to go. It sounds like some sort of arbitrary decision, possibly a law maker looked at their Swiss Army Knife and decided that the blade looked reasonable and rounded it up to the nearest inch.
Edit: some people have suggested that the limit was chosen because anything longer than a three inch blade will be able to reach the heart, I am unable to corroborate this but personally I would not like to put it to the test!
Annoyingly, the Criminal Justice Act which defines a UK friendly knife originally made no mention of locking mechanisms, the requirement that a blade should be freely foldable at all times without having to operate any lock or other mechanism came about as a result of case law. Originally as far as I can tell the intention of the law was quite sensible in that it allowed for the use of a safety mechanism, namely a lock, on sub three inch folding blades. Unfortunately a prosecution lawyer persuaded a judge that a folding knife with a lock (legal) was the same as a fixed blade knife (good reason needed) and that led to a reinterpretation of the law. This judgement could technically be overturned by another more senior judge or by act of Parliament but in the present climate of fear regarding “knife crime” (I hate that term) it is highly unlikely.
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The 3″ length law comes from people who don’t know how a knife really works and are under the impression that you can only do fatal damage to a person by stabbing them. I have seen pictures of large men killed with the handle of a fork or spoon. These are the same people who don’t know the difference between a magazine and a clip on a gun. The one that really makes me laugh is the “palm of the hand rule”. Whose hand are we using? My hand or the six foot four police officer with catcher mitts for hands?
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Where did the 3 inch length rule for pocket knives come from?
I don’t know. Here it is 4 inches, I have taken many deer apart with a 4 inch knife. A wound to a human would be devastating from one.
Original Question: Where did the 3 inch length rule for pocket knives come from?
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The three inch knife rule is most likely a state ordinance. Every country, state and local government has passed laws at one time or another to reduce and restrict knife violence. In all of history, the knife has served the common man well in everyday survival, and the edged weapon has been the common tool of offense and defense. In order to restrict knife fighting, laws have been passed to make it more difficult to carry and even possess knives which are lethal, while allowing those which have a legitimate use. Theoretically, the 3 inch blade is non-lethal, but longer than 3 inches is deadly. This, of course depends upon where you live. In Spain it is 4.33 inches, while in Denmark it is 2.7 inches. I could hardly list all the restrictions, and if you travel they are as varied as the scenery. Generally speaking, the 3 in. rule works in California, where I live, if the knife is otherwise legal. A switchblade, on the other hand can only be 2 inches to remain legal. All we can do is be familiar with the laws where we live or want to travel, or leave our knives at home.
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For me it’s a rule of thumb. I have carried a pocket knife for most of my life. I carry in my front pocket unless there’s a dedicated knife pocket in my pants. A 3” with a clip tends to stay in your pocket. A 4” with a clip tends toward pushing out of the pocket when you sit due to contact with your thigh. I did carry a 4” for a few years and nearly lost it a few dozen times. I’m back to a shorter knife and it’s never pushed our.
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If one measures the width of the palm of the hand, one finds that it is three inches wide. Presumably, the three inches ruling for a pocket knife came about through the fact that one could carry and conceal a folding knife in the palm of his hand. The other day I was talking to a Judge and a Magistrate and I informed them that a knife is not so dangerous these days and the law should worry more about what one can do with a mobile phone in one’s hand phoning anyone, in any part of the world. When I explained what could be done, they smiled at the law which says that one cannot carry weapons in his hand. Microelectronics are now lethal weapons with a sharper edge than any knife which one can carry and have the world in the palm of his hand! It has been used as a weapon many times!
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Most adults, if asked, think there is a 3” blade length rule for legal carry of a pocket knife, generally considered a folding knife. Perhaps at one time there was such a generic law, but no longer.
There are two categories of knives addressed under state or federal law: those you can own, and those you can carry. For example, in the vast majority of states you can own a Bowie knife, but you can’t carry one concealed. Some states allow open carry of Bowie knives; some do not.
In Georgia, where I live, you can carry any knife, open or concealed, that is not longer than 12”, with a blade not longer than 5”. That includes switchblades or gravity knives. There are a number of places where you can’t carry any knife, such as schools or government buildings.
In Alaska, where my son lives, you can carry any knife, open or concealed, provided you are 21. But if stopped by a police officer you must tell the officer you are carrying such a knife if it is other than a folding knife. You also can’t carry in certain places, and you can’t carry while talking with anyone who has a restraining order against you.
Under Federal law, if you live in the District of Columbia, or are on any federal facility, you may only carry a folding knife with a 2.5” blade. And, you may not carry any knife of any kind in a number of places, like aboard a plane or in a federal courthouse. Additionally, you may not cross state lines with a switchblade or gravity knife, although it may be legal to carry in your state. For exampleI can own and carry a switchblade knife with less than a 5” blade in Georgia, but the instant I take it into Tennessee, regardless of whether it is permitted under Tennessee law, I just violated federal law and may be imprisoned and/or fined accordingly.
Also, in virtually all jurisdictions the character of a pocket knife may suddenly change because of the intent of the possessor. In the majority of states an absolutely legal folding knife transforms into a dangerous weapon the moment you take it from your pocket, open it, and anyone around you feels threatened by you, predicated on the “reasonable person” concept. If a jury determines that a reasonable and prudent person would have felt threatened under the circumstances, then your legal pocket knife became a dangerous weapon, which is a felony virtually everywhere. In addition, you can be charged with aggravated assault, and if you cut the victim, however minutely, with attempted murder, if your demeanor warrants it.
In summary, don’t take any of the information above as legal advice, because it isn’t. And ignorance of the law is no defense. I encourage everyone to research their state law to know the requirements of a pocket knife. If you own a computer or smartphone it’s super easy. Search for Iowa code, or Oregon code, or whatever your state is. When your state code comes up search it for “knife.” Then read.
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Maybe it is because the politicians creating that law didn’t want to be embarrassed by anyone having one longer than them.
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In Michigan, we have the three inch rule for pocket knives that can be carried concealed without need of permit. However, i am perfectly with in my right to strap on a sword and open carry it. Drawing it just to let someone look at it could net me a charge of brandishing.
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Check your local laws. Many places, maybe even most, have no such law. That and “no longer than the palm of your hand is wide” is more often myth than actual legal guideline.
In any case, it was a vague guideline meant to distinguish between utility knives and fighting knives. If you caught a gang member or minority with a knife that was too big, there would be a way to take the knife, and maybe send him to jail.
Similarly West Side Story in 1961 create…
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Some places vary in the rules in the UK you can only have a 2 inch blade and no locking blade. I would imagine though that initially it would have been done around a size that would be manageable to be carried and kept in a pocket but not truly sure.
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There is no such rule. Knife laws differ state to state city to city. Some states the law says no double edge no spring load no concealment. Which means there is no set length law, however within that state every city and town is different some might be three some might be two and a half.
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I’ve never heard of this particular rule, but it might be the case where you live. Every state has its own laws and regulations regarding knife length and legality. It’s my opinion that every law about the length of a knife is made in a very arbitrary fashion, with no real research or study done to determine a so-called “safe” length.
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For folding knives, it was always about designing a blade that was long enough to be useful, but short enough to still fold and fit in a pocket.
After more than 130 years of experience in the market, most leading manufacturers found that the ideal length was around the 3-inch mark.
From that precedent, a number of governments and legal institutions derived the concept that 3″ or less was about all the average person would ever need to carry, and so put so…
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It is an arbitrary limit dreamed up when someone was trying to craft a bit of legislation. The 3 inch blade length limit only applies in certain places.
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As with many rules, laws, restrictions, etc, they are pulled out of their asses!!! Never let ignorance get in the way!!!
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I have no idea about a three inch rule.
When I was selling knives the rule was ‘’display and intent’’. Blade length was not a comcern.
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The actual, real-life, enforceable 76mm blade, folding, non-lockable pocket knife being the least prohibited (note that doesn’t meant it’s necessarily ‘legal’, only that a person might legitimately claim not to need to demonstrate they have an ‘excuse’ for carrying one) is fully explained online, but with particular clarity here:
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As to the reason the legislation, and the exception, was so framed I don’t know and strongly suspect no one does: once it went into law the reasoning behind it wasn’t required by legislators and ‘going behind’ legislation isn’t generally considered to be a legitimate legal challenge (if it was we’d all still be bitching about Income Tax, levied at 2d in the £ and raised to fund war with revolutionary France).
This is my personal opinion, nothing more, but I strongly suspect when it was being mooted someone asked their chums what sort of penknife they carried as smokers, whittlers and for removing the stones from their horses hooves then framed the law in such a way it wouldn’t inconvenience people who – arguably – didn’t work for a living.*
* Specifically with their hands and never in any way that might cost them a finger.
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Which rule? There are laws in areas all around the world. The original laws in the United States came from a desire to reduce the knife fighting especially with larger bladed wespons such as Dueling swords and Bowie knives.
They decided that any knife blade wider than your palm were combat Weapons, this was regulated depending upon area to 3 to 3.5 inches. Knives required for work were usually exempted but may have required license to own. It was a law that was enforced against “freeded” men (ex-slaves) in the southern states after the civil war.
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