What is the best sharpening system, technique or method for sharpening a high-end pocket knife with hard to sharpen steel like CPM-S30v?
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What is the best sharpening system, technique or method for sharpening a high-end pocket knife with hard to sharpen steel like CPM-S30v?
You can check the answer of the people under the question at Quora “best beginner knife sharpening system“
I have stones, guides, lots of toys. But the Ken Onion belt sharpener is, by far, the best system I’ve used. S30V is a very difficult steel to get a burr on. The Ken Onion develops a good burr in 6 or 7 passes. Then polishes to a wicked edge. Best system ever. Just buy some leather stropping belts separately for final honing.
Chicago Cutlery Belden 15 Piece Premium Kitchen Knife
You have discriminating tastes in blades. Benchmade makes great knives!
I have carried many brands of factory blades, but I keep coming back to Benchmade . They are my first choice when it comes to purchasing factory blades:
Here are merely a few of my go-to EDC’s. As far as sharpening them…I have my work cut out for me.
Benchmade knives are a great product with a lifetime warranty. You don’t need to invest in a sharpening system (if you’re willing to wait 4–6 weeks turnaround time).
Benchmade sharpens for life!
Simply send your knife to the factory, and they will put that out-of-the-box-razor-sharp edge back on for you.
It’s free!
Warranty Service
Benchmade uses quality steel, offers a huge variety of styles and steel, and they have excellent customer service.
The customization options Benchmade offers are beyond compare.
Griptillian drop-point customized in Benchmade custom shop. Fallout glow scales commissioned by private artist, separately.
I love the online customization shop. You can fully customize your knife by choosing model, blade shape, steel, and also add customized graphic etchings to the final product! No two will look the same. You can put your name on your knife at the Benchmade custom shop:
Custom Landing Page
After going to all that trouble of ordering the perfect Benchmade, would you chance wrecking it with an inadequate sharpening system?
Respect your Benchmade.
Whether assisted openers or flick-of-the-wristers, they’re all blink-of-an-eye fast . I especially love the convenience of an ambidextrous locking system like the patented Benchmade AXIS® lock (which, for a Southpaw like me, is definitely a treat). Much respect.
Benchmade doesn’t offer bargain-basement cheap knives. The most inexpensive Mini-Griptillian sells for around $90, if I remember correctly.
(does that seem cheap to you?)
Inexperience and intimidation— that’s what usually keeps people from buying a respectable sharpening system to fit their collection.
Some systems take too long when you’re sharpening a bunch of steel at one time (like my husband and I do).
Some of the sharpening systems are too fast, too slow or are not user-friendly to those who aren’t in the practice of maintaining their own steel.
Some simply don’t work on harder steel.
S30v (if I remember correctly) is a stainless super-steel.
It’s hard .
But I believe it is an internet myth that it’s nearly impossible to sharpen.
Diamond. That will get the job done. Diamond sharpening stones will do the trick. No steel is a match against the hardest substance available in abrasive sharpening stones.
Diamond is expensive, but I believe if you’re willing to fork over a good chunk of change on your pocket EDC*, it would also behoove you to take care of your investment, and not to waste money on a cheaply-designed maintenance system which won’t work.
You’ve seen them.
They advertise the impossible, and leave you feeling frustrated (and may even ruin your blades).
You know the sharpeners I’m talking about, don’t you?
Those automatic fixed-angled kitchen grinders I see in so many kitchens today (it’s enough to make me cringe) .
How could someone pay $1,000’s of dollars for a nice set of kitchen knives, then turn around and pay less than $30 for a sharpening system to maintain them?
Would you wash a Ferrari with generic dandruff shampoo?
This was the first photo I snagged from Amazon. The “ Ferrari” of cheap sharpeners. Don’t believe the 5-star reviews. You’ll ruin your edges with automatic electric grinders like this. The sharpening process should not be convenient, rather meticulous and careful. It should also fit the specific angle specs to your blade.
As with any power grinder, please wear protection! Shaving fine bits of metal and steel dust from your blade can lead to health problems.
Especially if you’re using an industrial-strength belt grinder like this:
As a pianist, I’ve never dared put my fingers up against this bad boy, but my husband does.
I’ve tried almost all the options in sharpening, but I hope you realize this is merely one person’s opinion and not an authority, by any means.
I’ve learned you should go with whatever is comfortable for you . Personal preference. It’s up to you.
My husband and I have long since retired the stones. We have far too many knives to maintain, and have found that although water stones may be relaxing and meditative, they are also tediously slow, and may be better for those people who have fewer knives to maintain.
The Ken Onion Work Sharp is a good product which is available in several model designs, but it is not for novices attempting to sharpen a bunch of expensive blades at one time.
It is very fast. (Almost too fast). It’s a miniature grinder/blade-eater. It’s the scaled down version of our industrial belt sander. I find it intimidating to use on my expensive blades. But if you want fast… that ’ s an excellent option. Please practice on your cheap knives before attempting to sharpen your good ones. Sharpening removes steel from the blade, it shouldn’t be confused with honing , (such as by leather strop) which only succeeds in reshaping the pre-existing steel burr on your edge.
Sharpening is like shaving, whereas honing is like exfoliating the outer layer of skin.
(Is that too girly a comparison for you?)
I’ve ground cheap practice blades to mere teaspoons in a blink of an eye with the Work Sharp .
It’s aggressive, but if you know what you’re doing, it’s so fast and convenient! It’s a good product.
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The Lansky system is good, but the setup isn’t user-friendly. The angle is not intuitive, which is why we had to mark the holes in the stand ourselves. It can be clunky at times. Even though the angle guide is confusing, it is a good system—but it’s slow to set up:
I would rather go flat-stone to Lansky . Either method is pretty slow, though. Especially with S30v.
I’m going to play “Goldilocks” here, and recommend the “just right” option:
Our newest system—The Wicked Edge , was an investment well worth the money, in my opinion.
At a fixed-angle, it has a guided–arm system, which shaves both sides of the blade at once! No need to stop and flip the blade, or even detach and reset guide arms. Simply lock your knife into the vice, and go. It is difficult (probably impossible) to shave too much metal off with a guided arm.
The angle will be symmetrical on both sides of the blade, cummulating in a perfectly met-edge at the center line.
An example of a shot blade under 10x magnification. You don’t need a close up to see the irregularities.
It doesn’t take any pressure. Glide the varying stones or leather strop over your blade and your angle is always set. There is a pair of diamond tuners included.
Ooooh! Pretty steel. Straight. Sleek. After sharpening.
It’s probably impossible to take off too much steel. The fixed guide arms won’t allow you to dig in too deeply.
Downward view of blade clamped into vice. Guided left arm at precise angle against blade.
Right arm against blade —perfect simultaneous angles.
It’s intuitive and good for beginners.
An additional digital angle guage might help you determine settings, no matter which system you choose. Additionally, a dark permanent marker inked at the blade line will show how much steel is being removed during the sharpening process. Both are inexpensive alternatives to determine precise angles.
A Digital angle guide runs less than $20 dollars.
Man, I wish I’d gone with Wicked Edge before spending so much money on other systems!
It’s easy!
I know an 8-year-old who uses a Wicked Edge (under supervision, of course).
Wicked Edge is all its cracked up to be— in my opinion.
The fixed guides allow you to precisely repeat the angle without messing it up. This is of vital importance when sharpening a blade— that you can accurately repeat the previously chosen angle is important. The guided system is easy to reset to each blade once you know your angle. It will be sharpened equally on both sides simultaneously and will always resharpen to the exact angle you need.
IT WILL CUT.
Precisely equal bevels on both sides of the blade. That’s the key to creating a fine edge! I’ve proven it with magnification, haven’t I?
There are several stones included with the system, as well as diamond and leather stropping blocks for quick tune-up angle honing.
With Wicked Edge, you’ll fine-tune your blades to arm-hair shaving, paper slicing sharpness.
Although not cheap (it runs about the price of three good Benchmades), Wicked Edge is the best sharpening system to protect your steel investments.
I trust it on all my customs.
(I am not compensated by, nor affiliated with, the Wicked Edge company for this review.)
* EDC=Every Day Carry
(all photos mine unless otherwise indicated)
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I do sharpening and recently got in a Benchmade pocketknife that had been fairly abused. The metal was so hard that my EdgePro system didn’t seem to be doing much so after about 20 minuates I decided too establish an edge with my 1×30 belt sander with a fine grit belt. After a couple minutes on the belt I had an edge you could shave with. I finished it off on the EdgePro with a 1800 grit stone. Customer was extremely happy.
Amazon Basics 14-Piece Kitchen Knife Block Set, High-Carbon
Learn the proper technique to hand sharpen blades using wet stones, starting with this Answer and then the video link in the footnote.
Practice with cheaper knives until you are completely satisfied with the edges you sharpened (more than 1, twice in a row is a reasonable goal).
Purchase: [Ignore anyone that tells you to use any stone dry or with oil! All of the items below can, and should, be used with plain water or a weak mix of water and either Simple Green cleaner or liquid dish soap and proper wet stone techniques. That will ensure that bits of ground steel don’t get stuck in the sharpener’s grit and cause nasty scratches.]
These are all fairly large stones because the extra surface area makes it easier to maintain a consistent sharpening angle through the full sharpening stroke, they also last longer.
DMT 6″ Dia-Sharp Sharpening Stone – Coarse 325 Grit Only use to get the initial edge on a blade or to even out a slightly nicked edge.
DMT 6″ Dia-Sharp Sharpening Stone – Fine 600 Grit Use if your blade starts to feel dull and it needs more work than you can manage on the Extra-fine Dia-Sharp Stone below.
DMT 6″ Dia-Sharp Sharpening Stone – Extra Fine 1200 Grit Use to freshen up a reasonably sharp blade. [Most people will be more than satisfied with the edge from this stone, but for the best keep reading.]
Black Hard Genuine Arkansas Oilstone – 6″ x 2″ x 1/4″ DON’T USE THE OIL! These Arkansas black hard stones make great wetstones and if used properly, will actually produce a slightly sharper edge than the best quality Japanese Wetstones.
For periodic honing of your already sharp blade, so it stays that way:
Tennessee Big Stick Ceramic Sharpening Rod
Disclaimers: Sharpening blades has some inherent risks, you are responsible for your own safety! I am a professional bladesmith and have used all of the products linked above, but I have no financial relationships with any sharpening product brands or Smoky Mountain Knife Works.
Wanbasion Black Stainless Steel Knife Set, Sharp Kitchen Knife
I have successfully sharpened CPM-S35VN using a knife sharpening system (WickedEdge), and a power leather strop.
ALBATROSS EDC Cool Sharp Tactical Folding Pocket Knife
Thx4A2A-
I own oil, water, ceramic & diamond stones.
Anymore I’m using the diamond stones a lot, I’d try them.. I don’t use guides and I use water with a little soap in it to float the swarf.
Zelite Infinity Damascus Chef Knife 8 Inch, Japanese Chef Knife
Which ever precission angle system you can afford that gives you the type of edge you prefer is the best you can choose. No matter what anyone thinks you simply cannot out sharpen by hand a well designed machine.
My favourite is the russian system, The TSPROF, next down on the list if it’s only for smaller non kitchen knives, the KME , the wicked edge, and the apex pro (suitable for longer blades) , if you don’t mind fixed angles the smaller one is’t too bad I can’t remember the name but it’s the last one on this list looks wise.
TSprof
KME
Wicked edge
Edge pro apex
The other one
The edge pro and the tsprof use basically the same stones, and their choice of stone options hands down destroys every other system. You can however modify the KME if you want to cut it up a bit to use edge pro stones and get cheaper versions of the edge pro to use with better stones. There is also a cheaper version of the kme which already takes edge pro type stones, which is pretty good but may need minor tweaking. The likes of the ruxian it’s bad but not as good as the cheap kme.
imarku Japanese Chef Knife – Pro Kitchen Knife 8 Inch Chef’s Knives
Ask the maker what they recommend including primary angle and micro bevel.
Arkansas stones are not great for the high chromium steels. Check out modern ceramics or silicon carbide sharpeners.
While you are researching I would point you to 3M WetOrDry sandpaper.
Glued tightly to a planed flat wooden or glass foundation you will have something useful to sharpen your knife a couple times. Use two or four sides and a different grit on each surface.
Modern quality hones can be expensive so research and shop.
Spring Assisted Knife – Pocket Folding Knife – Military Style
Diamond hone….hand held style like a steel or an EZ Lap….a small portable hone available at most sporting goods shops.
Smith & Wesson Extreme Ops SWA24S 7.1in S.S. Folding Knife with 3.1in
I have a Ruixin sharpening system I bought off amazon and it is amazing. You can watch YouTube videos on tweaking the design and it will make anything razor sharp.
RoverTac Pocket Knife Multitool Folding Knife Tactical Survival Camping Knife
I sharpen some knives by hand on water stones , some with belt systems , some with others systems. If you’re looking for a “system”, I’ve had good success results with an EdgePro system. I have friend that swears by the Wicked Edge sharpening system. They both make it easier the repeat precise angles if that’s important to you. They’re not cheap.
12-Piece Color-Coded Kitchen Knife Set, 6 Knives with 6 Blade Guards
For my money I prefer the Apex Pro. Had to get out a chip in the blade up near the point on my Spyderco Manix2 in S90V due to cutting into rocks, not the fault of the blade. Took me about 10 minutes to reprofile the tip and get it to shave the arm sharp ( my standard for EDC)
MOSFiATA 8 Super Sharp Professional Chef’s Knife