What are the differences between a survival knife and a fighting knife?
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What are the differences between a survival knife and a fighting knife?
You can check the answer of the people under the question at Quora “fighting knifes“
I’m pretty sure that the differences are marginal, even though considerable.
First of all, we need to see what is a survival knife because there are simply too many models of them. I assume we are talking about a standard survival Knife like I’ve found in a web page below.
These knifes are very very sharp and have very practical designs. These knifes have one purpose: to help you survive. They serve that purpose by allowing you to cut through wood and basically defend yourself in the wild.
I find that survival knifes have a more rugged look. To a trained eye, you can immediately tell that these knifes are not meant for fighting. Yes, any knife can be used to fight because something is better than nothing, but that doesn’t make the survival knife any more decent for anything more than survival.
Fighting knifes are way more impressive. They feel better. The blade is way sharper and the hander is a lot more grippale than a survival knife. This is for practical purpose. In a fight, nothing counts more than having a knife in your hand that actually stays in your hand. A knife that flies out is a knife that’s useless.
Search fighting knifes and you’ll definitely be impressed. The design is totally for fighting and full on penetration.
For further reference, I’ve quoted an interesting article comparing the two below:
“ A fighting knife is a knife designed for fighting, typically with an aggressively textured handle shaped to lock into the hand, a half or full guard, and a blade designed for maximum sharpness and penetration of soft materials. A survival knife is a knife that is designed for a variety of tasks but predominately the processing of wood, skinning of game and other assorted chores one would engage in a survival situation. Many survival knives carry additional survival gear within their handles or on their sheathes. ”
I will also link the article below:
Have fun reading and finding out. Be prepared for the situation!
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This is one of those questions where definitions are blurred, and opinions end up the best you can do.
This is an example of a fighting knife.
The blade is narrow, double edged, and splined: this is excellent for slashing and thrusting (including through soft body armour, a stroke of luck its designers didn’t intend). It’s not a lot of use for levering, chopping, or other survival-type work. (The bright blade is argued: some claim a darkened blade is less conspicuous, Fairbairn and Sykes considered that if you were seen in your attack, a menacing shadow with a bright blade might cause a moment’s paralysis of terror that mere movement might not… I only ever use mine to open envelopes, which don’t express a strong opinion on the subject).
I’d call this a good survival knife, albeit not what many would expect as such.
It’s a much heavier, thicker blade, single edged and with a broad point. This is much better suited to being used as a tool, although it’s still got utility as a weapon in extremis: you can use it to cut or chop, as a lever to pry boxes open or apart, and it would stand up better to being used to split wood by hammering on the back of the blade or to being pounded into the ground to act as an anchor. (You can take a three-seater sofa apart enough to fit into the back of a small car for disposal, with one of these).
A good compromise between the two, is the classic KA-Bar.
Here, this version’s been refined a little with some serrations in the blade for rope cutting, sawing and so on: something of a matter of taste. This can still be used as a tool (with a thicker, single-edged, strong-backed blade) but is also effective as a fighting knife as well, with a clip point and false edge giving some of the thrusting/stabbing utility of the Fairbairn-Sykes.
What isn’t a practical survival knife (whatever John Rambo might try to tell you) is something like this:-
The hollow handle works loose very quickly; the screw-off pommel means it can’t be used either to hammer or be driven into objects; the saw back never works well and means you can’t strike the back of the blade to split wood. Just don’t – these are ways to separate gullible people from their money.
If you think you’ll need a saw, a better approach than trying to have your knife do the job can be to have the saw fold out of the scabbard.
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A fighting knife will usually go for a full or extended tang, with some models adopting an encapsulated tang.
Consider your options again, and chose your survival knives wisely. Camping is a lifestyle for me, and with that came my love of collecting survival tools. It wasn’t until I visited New Zealand that I realized how important a sharp tool is in the outdoors. I’ve had my fair share of problems with dull knives, and if those problems were a book, it’d be thicker than Bhagwan’s Biography. It takes a lot of time to find the perfect knife, but when I found this this knife it only took a second ( it’s being given away for free ). It is simple to use and takes up little space. It’s so light that I sometimes forget I’m wearing it. The way I can carve wood and cut rope with this thing makes me feel at ease. There were no issues. This product is amazing.
Survival knives are a bit more diverse, with partial, semi full tang, and 3/4 tangs also being used in various designs.
The reasoning comes down to purpose and durability. A larger tang tends to correspond to higher durability, thanks to better shock absorption. This is really important because of the possibility of striking bone. One of the worst things is to hit a rib at a bad angle and snap your blade. Since the ribs are as close to the surface as they are, it’s a comparatively minor injury, in exchange for completely disarming an enemy. Some survival knives meanwhile, are built with internal emergency storage of various small items.
This isn’t a hard and fast rule, since the Russian NRS-2 scout knife exists, however, it should be generally noted that fighting knives need a full tang or close to it, while survival knives are more flexible.
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A fighting knife is either a specialized tool…
…or a weapon of last resort.
A survival knife is primarily a tool used to survive in adverse conditions.
So, a fighting knife is generally optimized for fighting. Some of the classic designs are the Fairbairn-Sykes and similar Gerber Mk II:
These blades are double edged, have a reasonably long and thin blade (thicker along the spine) and typically have a full tang under the grips. They can be used for slashing, but they also are very good at getting in deep…
You can get pretty much any vital organ in the torso with the blade of one and with a little twist or leverage, get most of the blood vessels you go through on the way to stay open.
Similar designs were used for later US bayonets after the move away from the sword bayonets.:
This is the M6 (for the M14) and the M7 (for the M16-series) bayonets. The blades are only partially double-edged with a flat edge to the back of the blade for more reinforcement.
Fighting knives can have other patterns. Another classic design is the kukri.
This is a single-edged knife used mainly for slashing or even hacking attacks. The added mass in the tip of the blade increases the inertia for such attacks and reinforces the blade.
A Scottish dirk is an older fighting knife. A foot or more long in the blade…
…with a triangular point, typically single edged with a flat back. This can be used for slashing, stabbing, or raking the enemy’s body when used with a small off-hand shield called a targe.
Notice how the blade extends past the rim of the targe with the blade edge forward. The other hand would have a sword, typically, and the targe would be used to block or parry… but could follow that up with an attack immediately with the dirk.
So, fighting knives tend to be coupled with techniques to do damage.
Survival knives can overlap in design and purpose. Typically having a single edge—to allow some techniques using the hand or other object on the spine of the blade.
Splitting wood using a knife and a second piece of wood as a hammer.
These blades tend to be sturdy, have a full tang, sometimes a composite bevel on the blade to allow both sturdiness and a sharp edge. They aren’t typically optimized for doing damage to people, so some have things like a saw blade on the back of the blade.
A classic US Navy survival knife. The blade is thick, the back has a saw or rasp-like portion. The pommel is heavy and can be used to hammer if necessary. The sheathe carries a pouch for a sharpening stone. The overall length is a lot less than a typical fighting knife and the blade is only about 5″ long.
A second, more unusual example is this Mercury survival knife issued to early astronauts. Fixed blade, looks like a sturdy flat-backed blade thick enough to pry open a capsule hatch…
Overall, some designs will overlap. The modern US military bayonets:
Modern US Army M9 bayonet and the…
…USMC Bayonet are combination types with strong, full tang blades, good length, and a flat-backed blade pattern intended for use as both a field knife/survival knife and a relevant combat knife and bayonet are examples of integrated designs.
Either way, the type of knife really depends on the use and capabilities of the blade and many are not incompatable to be both.
A bayonet kukri might be a bit much, but even then…
US Army “bolo” bayonet. Broad single edged blade similar to a kukri but straighter….
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One is designed to help keep you alive and is a multi purpose tool. The other is designed to kill.
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Okay…
a survival knife needs to be multifunctional!!!
Cutting small intricate things, to cutting kindling.
Many have spark tools built in . And other neat things to make it useful ina survival situation.
A fighting knife, is used to kill!!!!!
It usually has a large thick blade!
Usually, it is a very heavy knife . Built like a tank.
Its purpose is to tear big gaping holes in what ever you are trying to kill with it!!! And that’s all!!
Often, a knife somewhere in between the two is what is carried.
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There are huge differences between a survival knife and a fighting knife. First, the survival knife is a tool necessary to survive in any environment, not just fighting. On the other hand, the fighting knife has no multi-functional purpose. Next, the survival knife tends to be bulkier than the fighting knife due to the multi-functional use. Because of that, the fighting knife has more combative use.
Given these differences, survival knives are used by hunters; while fighting knives by the military.
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Survival knives usually have utility blades – Can cut, can saw wood, can be used for digging, can be used for stabbing or have extra attachments like Swiss Army knives.
Fighting knives are usually pretty simple.
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I presuppose that you desire to survive combat… 😉
Saw blade , ‘Rambo’ is a prohibited weapon by Geneva Convention.
Further you absolutely don’t want to stab anyone with a saw blade knife in a hand to hand skirmish involving multiple attackers, if avoidable.
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First, let’s look at the two:
Pictures found on google.
The main difference (besides the nifty survival tools) is the serrated blade of the survival knife. This is used for sawing sticks and small branches, but has no purpose in a fight. Other than that, the blades are pretty similar.
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Marketing, survival knife was made popular by the movie “First Blood” and the Fighting knife was made popular by Hollywood.
Basically a fighting knife is a large heavy knife, can be used for most camp tasks and that’s what most soldiers use them for.
Survival knife has a hollow hilt used to store things, which makes this knife west at the hilt.
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A fighting knife is designed primarily (or exclusively) for fighting. It will have features like a fine point for stabbing, probably a double-edged blade, and a very acute edge angle. These features make the knife very good for combat but virtually useless for more practical purposes. It can be relatively delicate because it’s unlikely to ever actually be used more than once.
A survival knife is a multi-purpose tool. It needs to be strong, durable, and capable of doing multiple jobs efficiently. It needs to be able to cut, scrape, dig, pry, etc. A single edge is mandatory to allow it to do some of the jobs it needs to do.
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Any knife can be used for survival or fighting. Professional knife fighters typically use a knife designed only for one purpose with a razor sharp straight blade. Most survival knives have multiple uses. Air Force pilots usually carry a three blade folding knife for survival while a Green Beret will carry a straight knife more similar to a professional fighting knife along with one or two other knives with different blade configurations.
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A fighting knife has very little use as a utilitarian tool. The sharply pointed, double edged blades, or the massive length of Bowie type blades make them awkward, at best, for minor camp chores. The Fairbairn-Sykes and the V-42 are often cited as the epitome of fighting knives, but they are most appropriately classified as covert operations weapons.
The mountain men and Jim Bowie preferred much bigger blades that could hack, chop, slice, and skewer even large adversaries, such as bear.
Gerber created a fighting knife along the lines of the V-42, the MkII. Mine is an older vintage
Young and ignorant when I bought it, I thought it would be great for all of my outdoor adventures. I found that it was very difficult to use for routine camp chores, and I turned to my trusty Buck 110 for most jobs.
Here are a couple of “survival knives”
They are built for heavy work, and will work quite well as a self defense weapon. There is no need for a double edged knife, but it would be nice to have a sharper point for drilling holes or penetrating tough hide.
These three satisfy virtually every criteria for both combat and survival. Clip point with a sharpened swage, they are actually double edged at the point.There is really no need to have to make a choice between the survival or fighting knife.
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A survival knife looks like this
Notice how they have supplies and an internal compartment! They also float with air in them! (I think at least). They are light weight. And not exactly balanced. Or durable. So you have other normal knives like these for widdling or whatever.
Whatever is defense or offense. Whatever your preference. These knives are more durable. Don’t float for damn sure. And are
usually more sturdy for things stabbing a man
or bear. But the survival knife is well….. survival. So not really fighting…
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A fighting knife will usually go for a full or extended tang, with some models adopting an encapsulated tang.
Survival knives are a bit more diverse, with partial, semi full tang, and 3/4 tangs also being used in various designs.
The reasoning comes down to purpose and durability. A larger tang tends to correspond to higher durability, thanks to better shock absorption. This is really important because of the possibility of striking bone. One of the worst things is to hit a rib at a bad angle and snap your blade. Since the ribs are as close to the surface as they are, it’s a comparatively minor injury, in exchange for completely disarming an enemy. Some survival knives meanwhile, are built with internal emergency storage of various small items.
This isn’t a hard and fast rule, since the Russian NRS-2 scout knife exists, however, it should be generally noted that fighting knives need a full tang or close to it, while survival knives are more flexible.
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There aren’t differences. A knife is a tool. It’s only a weapon if you use it as a weapon. Each knife has is own purpose, and none of them are specifically designed to kill people.
Gutting knives, skinning knives, filet knives, etc. None of them are designed with the intention of killing another person. But they all could very easily kill another person if used improperly.
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A survival knife will have some kind of useful saw blade ground into the blade,at least partially .It will be made of good steel that will take a shock without shattering and resharpen easily, be long enough to use the whole blade for whatever chores you need it for,whether cutting wood or skinning.
A fighting knife is usually double edged,no saw grind ,and at least more than 5” long (blade wise). Extremely sharp,,with a hard pommel and darkened,either by Parkerizing or bluing.
I’ll take a survival knife over a fighting knife any day.
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survival knife would maybe have a saw with set on the backside for quicker work using large branches, that would just hang up if used to stab and be a liability in a fight where multiple quick stabs would be handier, hilt might be useful on either to prevent slipping foreward on forward thrust. a nice feature would be to have a place to pound on back of knife for heavy survival work with absence of axe…
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The answer is in the name itself. Would you bring a knife to a gunfight? In Modern Warfare primary weapon of a soldier is a rifle. A survival knife is designed to be an all-purpose knife that can keep you alive a fighting knife is designed to be a knife either all purpose or specifically designed to kill with. In my opinion the best fighting knives in Modern Combat are Italian type knives. In the 1600. Italians went maniacal with dueling. They used swords and knives. A Bowie knife was originally made because the fellow was almost gored to death by a bull. He wanted something that would keep him alive. It was more of a fighting knife then a survival knife. But it was also a survival knife. The kabata’s were made primarily as fighting knives. A k bar got its name because the fellow who bought one supposedly killed a bear with it. Would you call that a fighting knife a combat knife or a survival knife? The Green Berets knives are more multiple purpose as are the Swiss Army knives. The Fairbanks knife was patented after the Italian knives that was used in trench warfare. When you put a knife at the end of a rifle it is a bayonet . Bayonets are used more as a polearm a combination ax and spear. The Italians would sneak into enemy trenches in World War 1 and quietly kill their opponents with knives. This would be a fighting knife not a combat knife. Do you understand the difference now? Survival knife used to survive. Combat knife used to survive and occasionally for combat. Fighting knife used almost exclusively in a knife fight. Now here’s the the question which one would you cut your vegetables with? I guess you could throw at work knife into that category 2 and cooking knife. I work knife being what you would shoe sheepsfoot or cut laminated tile or maybe even cut Sheetrock. Would you take a fillet knife into combat? It’ll wrap around the bone and cut the skin right off and muscles like butter. But it wouldn’t be very good for throwing or stopping someone from stabbing you with. Would you fight a bull with a fillet knife? Or bear? Fillet knives are designed to be razor sharp to take flesh off the bone. Can’t throw them can’t block with them and if you hit bone it would probably break. Machetes more like mini swords. Great for chopping coconuts. I think a hatchet would do a better job though. And the most important thing weight slightly less more bang for the buck. Machetes are fun though. Everybody should have at least three one to just destroy. I used to use mine for target practice and weed destruction. I had a trick I used to do where I would put an apple in somebody’s hand chop the Apple in half with a machete. And then take the same machete put a board long ways standing up with an apple on top of a cinder block. And then chop through the Apple the board and the cinder block. After you do that once most people don’t want to put their hand back under the Apple. The difference is give and take. It’s a very easy trick to do if you know how to use a machete a butter knife can cut a carrot. All you do is barely tapped the apple and the resistance in the hand. The knife if you want to go through that hand you just have to hit it past the resistance. Not a hard trick at all. I don’t recommend trying it though you would probably lose a finger or half your hand. But despite the fact that the machetes can be very intimidating and can be deadly. They are not survival knives nor are they combat or even fighting knives. The best use for machete is gardening. But of course this is just my opinion.
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A survival knife can be used for many task ie survival. Fighting knives are usually just good for that. The U.S. Mk I & II fighting knife would be an exception.
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Classic survival knives have a saw-back blade and a hollow handle to carry various items you may need in a survival situation, as well as a compass in the handle. There are limitations to these knives, not least the small amount of items you can carry and the fact that the knife will have no through tang – the thing that gives a knife it’s strength. Something like a British Army camp knife or a K-bar and an additional survival kit (we used to use a tobacco tin in the cadets) will serve you far better. Fighting knives such as the Fairburn and Sykes commando dagger are designed solely for killing. In fact, a dagger such as this is virtually useless for most camp tasks such as building a shelter or cutting kindling wood or feather sticks (the double edged blade doesn’t allow you to use it as a tool). There are other types of fighting knife such as the karambit – which is a curved hook and requires a certain martial arts approach in using one. Again, this would be useless for survival tasks.
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Not sure if there is a definitive answer to that. The term “survival knife” became popular after the 80s movie Rambo First Blood where a Vietnam vet welded a large bowie knife with storage in the handle and a sawtooth back. Guys being guys were attracted to gadgets so for decades any knife with a hollow handle and maybe some extras built into the sheath has been called a “survival knife”. On the military side survival knives were basicly any knife issued to aircrews or included in survival vests or ejection seat pans. Then there’s the fighting knife also called a field or utility knife like the KaBar. The bayonet is specialized for a rifle barrel but can be used as a fighting knife. The idea behind the survival knife was full of good intentions but the drawbacks are not worth gains. To have a hollow handled knife means……it’s not a full tang knife and is substantially weaker than a knife that has a single piece handle/blade design. Dippending on your situation anything loose in your knife handle or flopping around on the sheath may give you away by rattling. Being of modern design most are made with exotic metals that are hard as they get. Fighting and utility knives are basic straight forward in design with high carbon steel blades which don’t hold an edge as well but in a pinch you can put a razors edge on one with just about anything. Rocks, hardened steel wrench’s, concrete. The new breed of survival knife is called a bug out knife. These are generally high quality designs that put the knife first and us a stand alone tool. The extras are now in small pouches strapped to the sheath and holders for sharpening stones, feroceum rods for fire making and multi tools are incorporated into the sheath itself. The modular design works out really well as every environment is different requiring different survival gear. I’m not wasting space on a fishing kit if I’m operating in the desert right? No matter how you look at it the basics of survival knife and fighting knife is knife so look at the knife alone when selecting a knife you may have to stake your life on.
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Fighting knives such as switch blades, daggers etc. Are for attacking and not so much utility such as a Bush craft knife or hunting knife=survival knife
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Survival knives often have thick blades with spear points. The point is strong for drilling into wood or prying. The spine maybe squared off for scraping sparks from a fire steel or to create tinder for fire starting. The edge may be thicker or convex ground for strength when working wood, chopping, or splitting wood or any other heavy work. Length is variable and dependent on the environment it will be used it. For example, a machete is perfect for a jungle but has reduced utility in Northern hemisphere hard wood forest. Similarly, the Cattagaurus 225Q is useful in the jungle but has far more utility in pine or hard wood forests.
A dedicated fighting knife is often double edged and may have a thinner blade (both in width and thickness) to facilitate stabbing or slicing with either edge. Dagger shape is common with both edges fully sharpened or partially sharpened back edge (bayonet blade). Bowie type knives also often the back blade sharpened as well. The entire knife may be longer because extra length can be a significant advantage.
When it comes down to it, any knife will serve either purpose, it just depends how you use it.
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First let’s acknowledge that historically any knife can be used in combat. Col. Rex Applegate can be found in a rare video on youtube telling how he met a Finnish soldier during WWII who killed 12 Russian sentries using a Pukko knife. A pukko is actually a utility, bushcraft and hunting knife. It isn’t designed for combat. The south american gauchos have used butcher knives aka criollo knives in knife fights. There are many similar historical accounts.
That being acknowledged, to answer what defines a fighting knife, in western military history going back to HEMA and up til WWII the fighting knives used by military fighting men were often defined by a double edge blade of 5″ length to 7″ length and a guard to protect the hand from riding up onto the blade during accidental impact with bone or military harness/LCE/or kit. Col. Rex Applegate was tasked by the USA government to study everything of record on close combat and implement the best close combat weapons and tactics for the O.S.S… Col. Rex Applegate defined a proper fighting knife as described above. He co-created the Applegate-Fairbairn fighting knife, with the input of W.E. Fairbairn, correcting the performance defiencies troops found using the Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife during WWII close combat experiences.
In a non-military application but rather in civilian self defense applications and civilian dueling applications during early U.S. history, Texas Republic history and U.S. civil war history the knife design that became synonymous with fighting and was readily adopted by many southern americans was the Bowie knife which was designed by James Black of Old Washington Arkansas for James Bowie after the knife his brother Rezin Bowie gifted him was broken. The early American Bowie knives carried by many Americans and also Mexicans came in various sizes but the common defining features were a clip point blade for penetration and protective hand guard.
HEMA daggers were also defined by a double edge blade and protective hand guard used in close combat.
Of course many farming, agrarian, warrior cultures abroad were forced to employ farming blades, butcher blades and kitchen knives as fighting weapons during warfare and personal defense but this is different from the discussion of defining a fighting knife that’s design is specifically for combat.
Conclusion: Regardless of nationality, era, country of origin, the commonality of most knives designed specifically for fighting in combat can be summerized by two common features…A protective hand guard and a point designed for strong, easy, penetration.
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It all depends on the way you look at it. Any knife can be used as self defense knife and any knife would help in other survival situations. Fighting knives have their strongest point in one task only which is self defense. Their strong feature is mostly the tip of the knife for possible piercing with a handle designed for a firm grip while survival knives are more versatile and designed for multiple purposes
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One is for opening cans of peaches, and spearing bacon out of a hot pan, the other will get someone killed.
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I was going to add my little part, but after reading a few of the answers I realized there was nothing much I could add. I can see that many people put a lot of work into the answer. Great use of pictures too. I love to see answers from others that know what they are talking about.
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I Fighting Knife(like the Fairbairn Sykes SAS Special) is designed for sneak attacks, and infiltrations, where you want to silence enemy scouts or guards, in a quiet approach.
A survival knife is designed for multi-purpose survival use. Opening cans, end of a spear, hacking thru brush, processing firewood, starting fires, defense, and henway.
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Marketing mostly. There are knives that are designed for fighting but are not good for anything else. Pilots are issued “Survival knives” they are basically similar to a K Bar but smaller.
K bar knives are considered fighting knives but function well as a field knife. Companies back in the 80’s started marketing knives that had compasses on the handle and hollow handles for matches and f…
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